The Accidental Smallholder Forum
Community => Marketplace => Topic started by: Sweatyfarmer on February 11, 2014, 09:25:04 am
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A bit of an open subject this as the real answer will be dependent on individual needs and requirements but still keen to hear any views.
So, I was wondering what vehicle best suits the needs of the "average" smallholder or indeed reasons to avoid particular vehicles. My heart (but probably not my head) is always with LR Defenders but the Hilux, Ranger, Navara and L200 seem to be most prominent .....so any words of wisdom...thanks Keith
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I swore by my LWB 1996 Ford Maverick. It was more able than a landrover and you could park a small car in the back. Well, okay I exaggerate, but it was roomy. It could tow anything as well. Not the most sophisticated vehicle but cheap, reliable and rugged. I harrowed the fields with it on more than one occassion.
Sadly, I ended up writing it off because the mudplugger tyres I had on didn't grip on tarmac as well as I expected when braking hard. Having said that, I rolled it at around 60mph, it was a bit dented and muddy from hitting a banked verge but the engine was still running and everything still worked (except the smashed up rear axle!) AND I walked (shakily) away with no more than a couple of slightly pulled muscles so they're tough!
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I'm on my second Discovery, the first was a 200 and this is a TD5 (02 plate) and I've loved them both but they're money pits when it comes to parts that need sorted by/at this age so I can't afford another, but nor can I afford to replace it with anything else so I keep it going best I can. Defenders used to be the preference but they're now as expensive as any chelsea tractor and no longer the easy fix with a coathanger and baler twine animal they used to be. Most folk I know now have L200s, they replaced the Hilux as the farmer choice, never had either so not sure why the shift but it's certainly the main drive now. Never met anyone with anything good to say about a Navara so wouldn't be something I'd consider if I was changing. I looked at a couple Rangers, they're pretty ugly but not sure what like to drive as the Disco came up through my own mechanic and even without the service book I know he's looked after it since it came off warranty.
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One of the main criteria for me is that if it goes wrong I need to fix it myself and parts mustn't cost the earth. Only one choice really and that's a pre electronics Land Rover. Steer clear of anything post 1998 because of the electronics. Had a few Discos but they are eaten by rust and become impossible to fix eventually. Currently have a '92 Defender 110 which does everything I want it to and is a simple old fashioned diesel that can be looked after by a man with a half inch spanner and a large adjustable spanner in case you need to hit anything. Parts are cheap and there's nothing that can't be un bolted and replaced. Also there are no carpets so when the footwells get full of mud a bucket of water will sort it out.
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I use a P reg Toyota Rav 4.
Brilliant bit of kit and you can get one for about £500.
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I have an 02 navara and it's been a brilliant truck, does everything I need and tows fab. Although I know of three slightly newer ones that have all had engine problems :-\
Husband is a mechanic and Land Rover is a swear word here, they seem to be like marmite.....you either love em or hate em!
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2003 L200 double cab for me, fits kids, sheep, dogs and whatever else I need. Drives like a car so wife quite likes it and we can park it in a standard space. Lots of them about so I can get spares from scrap yard. Engine and running gear is basic and easy to fix. Drawback is 25-27mpg (measured, not guessed at).
Another option would be an old series 2 land rover, pre taxable, insure it on classic insurance and only use it when you need too. Use the money you save on fuel to buy a normal car for everyday use.
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Mitsubishi Shogun for me.
Currently have a 96 LWB model, averages 25mpg, runs great on old veg oil etc
will tow 3300Kg and all the seats fold down to make a big bed! :thumbsup:
Plus if you REALLY take it off road it has a rear axle difflock which many other 4x4's don't have but which can make all the difference.
All depends what you're looking for but pound for pound i'd go for the older model Toyota Landcruiser, 3.1 Izuzu Trooper or a Diesel Shogun
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Well i dumped the land rover for renualt kango van .I have 3 2008/2003 and a 2000 .I need to fix geabox 100 pound clutch 40 pound .Just done the drive shaft 35 just does the work cheap and yes 4/4 .Its no good a show gun clutch 500 + vat mad
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I'm still quite impressed with the Subaru Forester that I got second hand last year - it may not have the towing capabilities of a Land Rover but it does enough for my needs with a small livestock trailer...
When I grow up I wouldn't mind a Defender though but they're probably a bit too rough and ready for the 40 mile commute to/from my day job!
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Its no good a show gun clutch 500 + vat mad
I put a clutch in mine for £60 :thumbsup:
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R reg. Diahatsu FourTrak for me. (Wish they hadn't stopped importing them.) Not spacious, no central locking or air conditioning BUT they're tough as old boots, tow anything and turn on a sixpence.
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We had a Nissan Navara and it was brilliant, unfortunately I wrote it off, and we couldn't find another we could afford quickly, so replaced it with a Ford Ranger, which I hate.
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Hi Disco 3 for me as big as a van with all seats folded, air suspension brilliant for ground clearance , excellent towing 3500kgs , great off road low ratio at flick of a switch plus all mod cons and comfort for long distances.
Great on those cold a frosty mornings with front/and rear heated screens and AC plus heated seats etc.
Secondhand they are getting quite reasonable for what you get.
Downfall is low 20s to the gallon when used for towing a lot , expensive repair bills and high road tax if you buy the later versions, but i am a vehicle technician so can carry out repairs myself but some parts are still v expensive.
overall great vehicle to live with and use if budget allows
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I had a Nissan Navara, which I loved. And I also had a car for long journeys and work.
Then I downsized a bit and swapped to a Nissan X-trail, which tows my mid-sized trailer, will carry a couple of goats or several bales of hay, and does the car job pleasantly too, so now I just have the one vehicle.
My heart would love a Defender, but living where I do, my head prefers the reliability of a Nissan and my rapidly-getting-older bones like the effective heaters etc too!
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It really is down to what different needs and requirements you have. If I had to have only one vehicle then I think the Discovery 300Tdi would win. Cheap parts and easy to fix. Tows 3500kgs, low range and All Terrain tyres make it unbeatable around the farm and can be used as an everyday car.
I have a very special Sunday and high day car that is a Range Rover P38 2.5. Again very capable around the farm but it is too good for a bale of hay in the boot, although you could probably get 2 in there!! It is again on All Terrain as that is the key to dealing with dodgy conditions.
The other vehicles in the collection are for different purposes, a Mercedes Estate for work, family use and any trips that do not involve towing, that is a Land Rover job!!!
An old VW Transporter is also on the fleet for building jobs so not really a small holding or farm vehicle but I can see why some people go for small vans if they dont need 4 wheel drive or more passenger space. But if push came to shove and I could only have one.......then the disco wins!!!
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Thanks everyone, interesting views and experiences - time for some head scratching before I take the plunge - head or heart ?
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Have a good think about all the things you might need to do. We run three vehicles and couldn't manage with just one. The Land Rover for all the dirty stuff, towing, fetching and carrying etc, a refrigerated Transit for the markets and for collecting from the abattoir etc, and a nice old Volvo estate for best and for the wife to get to work and as general family transport. She's a nurse so can't go to work in a mud filled Landy. Likewise can't use it for carrying meat or the market stuff. Can't use the tranny for towing stuff in or out of fields or for muddy stuff in general. And don't even think of getting in the Landy if you want to keep your clothes clean. I spose it depends on what you get up to but we couldn't manage with a compromise.
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Agree with Hughsey, we run a transit van and on our 2nd ford ranger, OH uses the transit for work (builder) and I run the ranger which does everything it says on the tin, pulls like a train, goes anywhere (pulled a stupid bloke and his sports car out of our front field on Friday nite, he stopped to have a pee ::) in our hedge and thought he could turn round in the field ??? ??? or should I say pond! ;D) plenty of room and now I have parking sensors I can reverse it anywhere :thumbsup:. + as the ranger carries a tonne OH got the VAT back and a big chunk of his tax back so quids in too!
mandy :pig:
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Have to go with the Forester, total all rounder, I just put a couple of Matador tyres on the front this week just in time to test them in the snow , brilliant. it pulls my tatty old chopped down rice box trailer with 2 and sometimes 3 Hestons on board, 30ish to the gallon on a run , can fit a rangemaster cooker in the boot no problem. Well pleased with it.
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We have an old SWB Suzuki grand vitara, excellent off road and even better now i have put some all terrain tyres on.
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You really have to think hard to make sure you can justify a 4 x 4, diesel is not going to get any cheaper....
We have managed fine with a family estate for a while, a 1.9Tdi does tow ok, although not big trailer. However once I drowned it we decided to go for something bigger.
I now run a Renault van, the long one and it takes 30 bales of hay, as many feed sacks as I can buy in one go, transports my goats and if I have too many lambs for one run to the mart a couple can go into the back of the van (and lifted out once there). I put hurdle divisions into it, and OH has built a semi-permanent wall in back so I can take goat stuff to shows and they can't get at it. I also sleep in it when at shows and if we can get our act together we will go "caravanning"/wild-camping with it this summer. It can pull a larg(ish) trailer, and OH is now getting better at reversing it too. White van also gives you a different kind of "street cred" on the school run...Only drawback - just three seats.
For field work we have a 30hp tractor, and OH drives an (economical) estate for daily commute/family outings.
On the few days per year when a 4 x 4 would be handy we just stay home!
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I've got an L200 and rely on it hugely. I needed a double cab as I have to do school runs with three kids and the back is still plenty big enough to take a pallet of pig food. I've found the pick-up style so helpful over the last few years as pretty much anything can by shoved in there and tied down. I can't imagine going back to trying to fit things into a boot!
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We use a S3 Land Rover for anything that involves driving in a field or on snow etc and an A4 quattro estate as our family car which also doubles up as the towcar.
Works for us, especially as the Landy costs buttons to fix.
Regards
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Have to go with the Forester, total all rounder, I just put a couple of Matador tyres on the front this week just in time to test them in the snow , brilliant. it pulls my tatty old chopped down rice box trailer with 2 and sometimes 3 Hestons on board, 30ish to the gallon on a run , can fit a rangemaster cooker in the boot no problem. Well pleased with it.
I've harrowed the fields with my Forester a number of times :D. And it'll fit at least 6 bales of hay in the back, and is still as comfy as any ordinary car. Has a higher ground clearance than you would expect, i've waded through flood water in mine with no problem.
If you do get one, get the model with the hi-lo range gearbox.
When this one gives up the ghost I'll be getting a pickup truck - L200, Hilux or Ranger.
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Have a good think about all the things you might need to do.
Agreed, depends on proportion of time you spend doing small holding compared to that earning money or family things away from it.
The other issue is what's available out there - around there there's the school run type and the trampled by herd of cows version. The former vehicles seem to be owned by the wives of wealth business folk and are low mileage and in good nick but pricey and only available in April if their accountant has told them to upgrade to the latest model.
The latter are never anything like they are advertised as, battered to the back of beyond, high mileage and poorly maintained - usually only when they fail.
The task is to get hold of the former for as little money as possible and turn it into the latter as slowly as
possible.
Have used vans and large MPVs with seats out for carrying/towing farm stuff on road, but they're pointelss once you need to get into a field around here. On the plus side everything fits inside so there's no hassle with trailers. Wouldn't want to put livestock in them myself (cleaning them out, loading/unloading, what happens if there's an accident, AH/TS/VOSA people etc, but know folk who do).
Depends whether you are living on the land or not. I don't and need to make sure I can get to my stock in most weather.
Run a Ranger myself, getting 30 to 32 mp out of it (fuelly.com is good for tracking). Common farming pickup around here is the L200 but most on the market were hammered. Seals seem to go too. If you're using one in town they have a poor turning circle. Biggst issue with Ranger is town is parking due to the length. There are Navaras amd Isuzu pickups around as well but most don't go off road. Lots of old discos/defenders but suspect they are run by folk with the time/facilities/inclination to fix them themselves and alternative vehicles available. Quite a few old Troopers, popular with those who do combined farm/horse but get engine checked by mechanic. People here don't even try to use the "soft roaders" for anything agricultural, or thankfully for horses.
Finally it's also where your interests lie. Some folk are into their agricultural mechnical stuff, others prefer the stock and land. if I need something doing with a tractor, I'd lack not just the kit but the skills to use it so I'd buy them in.
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Mazda BT50 pickup with a cab on it; got it cos a friend was selling it off - had never really heard of it before - it is like the ford ranger - optional 2/4 wheel drive with hi/lo 4wd. Pulls 3500. Very good so far and quite good fuel consumption as mostly it's in 2wd. Parking is a problem though as noted above, and it seems quite easy to drive into trees accidentally. It is good having 4 seats but it might be better having a longer cab on back
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Ive got a 2001 TD5 defender 90. wouldnt be without it! got decent all terrain tyres on it. they are expensive but they do hold their money well. and you can get everything for them and its all just nuts and bolts. simple :D
andthey look good blathered in mud :D
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I've had landys, discos, hilux surf, land cruiser Amazon and now have a Mitsubishi challenger. The Mitsubishi is by far the best out of all of them! I harrow my fields twice a year with it, level my ménage monthly, tow trailers full of sheep and drive it day to day for work! Loved my Landy my Mitsubishi is fab!
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Totally agree with Hughsey. Fuel costs restrict mileage a bit, but savings are huge if you do your own mechanics. Insurance from a specialist Land Rover insurer is cheap too. Classic vehicle, fully comp, 9000 mile limit under £200
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I've just put a new clutch in my Defender. It's cost less than 100 quid in parts and zero for the labour. I really think that being able to keep your vehicle on the road yourself is the biggest deciding factor.
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That my friend is a fine point and the lack of some conveniences are not important if you are not wondering far !!!
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there are so many products you can fit to a defender to tailor it to your needs, and lots of very good groups with helpful advice and offers of help ;D
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there are so many products you can fit to a defender to tailor it to your needs, and lots of very good groups with helpful advice and offers of help ;D
That is very true. Every conceivable repair or upgrade has masses of "how to" stuff online. And at the end of the day all you need is a box of spanners and a bit of your own time.