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nic99

  • Joined Jul 2011
Layers pellet taint
« on: April 27, 2012, 01:28:31 pm »
My RIR cockerel has become aggressive and not very pleasurable to keep. With several young males that I have hatched out just waiting for their chance with the ladies instead of the oven, I see no reason for him to get that honour instead of one of them. I am going to replace him with a young Ixworth as soon as the next batch of eggs have gone in the incy and keep my fingers crossed that he doesn't go the same way!

So Rocky the RIR is going to be eaten. However, upon searching the internet for information on preparing him etc. I came across the advice not to eat cockerels that have been fed on layers pellets, as it taints the meat. As it is impossible to give him a seperate diet to the girls, he has been eating layers pellets for the last 3 months or so. Has anybody found layers fed cockerels to have a funny taste? Should I worry about seperating him and feeding him growers or similar for a couple of weeks before he goes? I would have to setup a whole new pen for him in order to do this. I am assuming he would not get on well with my current growers. He will be the first home grown chicken we have eaten (and the first chicken I have eaten for about 10 years!) so it would be awful if he tasted horrible and put us off the whole idea.

Simon O

  • Joined Mar 2010
  • Bonkle
Re: Layers pellet taint
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2012, 01:31:11 pm »
Made coq au vin last week from one fed on layers (as well as freeranging) and tasted great

in the hills

  • Joined Feb 2012
Re: Layers pellet taint
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2012, 01:40:19 pm »
Weve just eaten our last one from the freezer. They free-ranged and were fed layers. Didnt occur to me that it might affect the meat or taste  ???

Does Growers contain the medicine stuff against cocci... whatever its called that chicks and growers get? Think it might so you would need to look at that.

They were our first home reared cockerels and must admit they tasted good!!!

FiB

  • Joined Sep 2011
  • Bala, North Wales
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Re: Layers pellet taint
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2012, 01:42:05 pm »
We reared 4 chicks last year and they all turned out to be cockrels so we had to eat them.  They were OK caseroled, but were absolutely disgusting roasted (the first one) - like cardboard and tasted horrid.  However it may be that was something to do with the breed (ISA Hydrid layers).  Hatching 20 Light sussex at the mo, but like you we would struggle to separate cocks from hens food as they all free range and have acccess to their houses (where I keep the food and water) all teh time too.  so watching this thread with interest. 

in the hills

  • Joined Feb 2012
Re: Layers pellet taint
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2012, 01:52:26 pm »
How old were they FiB when you did the deed?

Ours were only 5 months but had to go because they were going to damage the hens - not behaving like gentlemen at all! They were an accidental hedgerow hatch from a disappearing Friesian hen and crossed with RIR. Didnt intend them for the table but had to go so better than wasting.

Being very wimpy the job was done by a neighbouring smallholder with his Christmas turkeys. Obviously not big birds but were lovely roasted. I did baste well and covered in foil but meat tender and juicy. Another neighbour says hers are always tough and always casseroles.  ???


Derby_menagerie

  • Joined Jan 2012
  • Derby
Re: Layers pellet taint
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2012, 02:00:24 pm »
Yes, the birds I've eaten that have only had layers pellets did taste a bit odd, also suspect they don't have the same fat content if they had been fed growers or mixed corn! But these had been roasted, casserole or curry you will probably be fine!

Castle Farm

  • Joined Nov 2008
  • Hereford/Powys Border. near Hay-on-Wye
    • castlefarmeggs
Re: Layers pellet taint
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2012, 03:22:32 pm »
Fed on layers your eating all the additives the mills put into the feed. Read the label and ask yourself would you want you and perhaps your children eating the chemicals they put in them.

It's the same with eggs, the additives are  bound to be in the egg and your serving it up as human food.

Feed a grain diet, at least you know what has gone in it. The birds and you will be a whole lot healthier for it.


I have never know a bird to die from eating a mixed grain diet yet, but a whole lot of birds die every year because you feed them a pelleted feed.
« Last Edit: April 27, 2012, 03:25:28 pm by Castle Farm »
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nic99

  • Joined Jul 2011
Re: Layers pellet taint
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2012, 03:36:16 pm »
I've just checked - the only "chemicals" added to the layers pellets I use are calcium carbonate and sodium bicarbonate. Both of which are completely harmless so no worries there. I think I shall not bother seperating and feeding him differently and will casserole him in my slow cooker. Probably cut up and in 2 batches, as my crock pot is pretty small.

FiB

  • Joined Sep 2011
  • Bala, North Wales
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Re: Layers pellet taint
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2012, 06:11:05 pm »
How old were they FiB when you did the deed?

Ours were only 5 months but had to go because they were going to damage the hens - not behaving like gentlemen at all! They were an accidental hedgerow hatch from a disappearing Friesian hen and crossed with RIR. Didnt intend them for the table but had to go so better than wasting.

Being very wimpy the job was done by a neighbouring smallholder with his Christmas turkeys. Obviously not big birds but were lovely roasted. I did baste well and covered in foil but meat tender and juicy. Another neighbour says hers are always tough and always casseroles.  ???


Ours were quite young I think probably about the same as yours - but reet scrawny and stringy meat.  Definate lack of fat.  Incubator set today, so ready to try again if 20 cockrels! Bring it on!.  I was happy dispatching (we had a 2 person approach - I necked and then OH airguned head - after the first one I was concerned they were taking too long to be dead so after that I was sure they were dispatched in about 20 seconds), though the 'drawing' took me about half a day (well it felt like that) so hopefully I will get a  bit better this time around.  Must have a look at my layers pellets ingreadients, but am also going to look into alternative (I didnt realise you could just feed on corn).

Bionic

  • Joined Dec 2010
  • Talley, Carmarthenshire
Re: Layers pellet taint
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2012, 06:13:14 pm »
I've just looked at my layers pellets ingredients and there are definitely 'foreign' bodies in there.  The label was difficult to read but there were E numbers.  I suspect this is to make the yolks nice and yellow.

I will find another bag with a clearer label and see what it says

Sally
Life is like a bowl of cherries, mostly yummy but some dodgy bits

in the hills

  • Joined Feb 2012
Re: Layers pellet taint
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2012, 06:21:08 pm »
A neighbour feeds her hens a mix of grains most of the year - thinks its cheaper. Only feeds layers for a brief period as they come into lay. Her hens lay and look well  ???

Never looked closely at the layers ingredient label, Bionic. Dont like the idea of lots of additives. Will check mine tomorrow. Do feed quite a bit of mixed corn as well ... cus they seem to like it  ;D

Go on someone ... think we need a poultry feeding thread  ;D

Castle Farm

  • Joined Nov 2008
  • Hereford/Powys Border. near Hay-on-Wye
    • castlefarmeggs
Re: Layers pellet taint
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2012, 10:02:21 am »
Just have a look at a lable on layers pellets and growers pellets it's full of all sorts of stuff.

Common feed additives used in poultry diets include antimicrobials, antioxidants, emulsifiers, binders, pH control agents and enzymes. Sometimes diets will also contain other additives used in diets for humans and pets such as flavour enhancers, artificial and nutritive sweeteners, colours, lubricants, etc. Within each one of these classes of additives there can be dozens of specific additives manufactured and distributed by a wide variety of companies. Again, all ingredients and additives must be noted on the label and their use and inclusion levels meet the standards as defined by law. In some instances additives are added to the animal’s diet in order to enhance their value for human consumption, but mostly this is accomplished by use of natural ingredients containing significantly higher levels of these nutrients that can be deposited directly into meat and eggs. This fact sheet will highlight a few important feed additives and their use in the poultry industry.

Enzymes are proteins that facilitate specific chemical reactions; following this the enzyme will disassociate and be available to assist in further reactions. Although animals and their associated gut microflora produce numerous enzymes, they are not necessarily able to produce sufficient quantities of specific enzymes or produce them at the right locations to facilitate absorption of all components in normal feedstuffs or to reduce anti-nutritional factors in feed that limit digestion.

Some cereal grains (rye, barley, wheat, sorghum) have soluble long chains of sugar units (referred to as soluble non-starch polysaccharides – NSP) that can entrap large amounts of water during digestion and form very viscous (thick gel-like) gut contents. Enzymes that are harvested from microbial fermentation and added to feeds can break these bonds between sugar units of NSP and significantly reduce the gut content viscosity. Lower viscosity results in improved digestion (more interaction of digestive enzymes with feeds and more complete digestion), absorption (better contact between digested feed nutrients and the absorptive surface of the gut) and health (reducing moisture in manure and nutrients available for harmful gut microflora to proliferate and challenge the birds (e.g. necrotic enteritis, a chronic intestinal disease caused by Clostridium perfringens, resulting in reduced performance, mortality and the main reason we currently use in-feed antimicrobials)).

Commercial enzymes are also produced that significantly reduce the negative effects of phytates. Phytates are plant storage sources of phosphorus that also bind other minerals, amino acids (proteins) and energy and reduce their availability to the bird. Ongoing research will develop enzymes that are more effective in maintaining function under a wider range of processing and digestive conditions. New enzymes may include those capable of reducing toxins produced during feed spoilage (mould growth in grains) and facilitating digestion of carbohydrates currently not available to simple-stomached animals (poultry, pigs, humans) such as cellulose, lignin and chitin. New feed additives are rapidly adopted by the poultry industry and have facilitated the development of significant new technology to advance the use and availability of in-feed enzymes.


Antioxidants

There are a variety of sources of reactive oxygen species (free radicals) in normal metabolism as well as those coming directly from feed ingredients. Oxidative stress can disrupt normal cellular function, damage tissues (also associated with the development of cancers) and reduce health status. Antioxidants bind these molecules and reduce their potential damage.


Acidifier


The future

Many additives have been a normal part of diets for animals and humans. It is only recently that we have come to recognise and understand their importance in achieving high production and efficiency, maintaining health and wellbeing, improving product quality and safety and reducing the industry’s impact on the environment. More work is required to further identify the positive effects of additives and minimise the negative effects they may have if not used correctly or if they interact with other additives or feed ingredients. In particular, additives will play an essential role in maintaining the health of poultry in an era of no pharmaceuticals.

This is from a 'trade paper'.

Why feed all that stuff if birds can do very well on a mixed grain diet. OK it states that it's all fine for humans to eat.


Didn't they say that when they were feeding recostituted meat products to cows and causeing mad cow disease.
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Fowlman

  • Joined Apr 2012
  • Wiltshire
Re: Layers pellet taint
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2012, 10:38:19 am »
All mine are fed a grain diet , layers, ducks, gamefowl. If birds are free ranging they dont need commercial feeds.
As for table cockerels i would suggest wheat only 2 weeks prior to culling.
Tucked away on the downs in wiltshire.

Brijjy

  • Joined Sep 2010
  • Mid Wales
Re: Layers pellet taint
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2012, 08:09:34 pm »
All of my poultry are free ranging and have been fed mixed corn solely since last summer. I bought a bag of layers pellets today and after buying it was pretty horrified at how many ingredients there are in it. It will be the last bag I buy I think. I don't really know why I got it as the last time I did, the chickens all turned their beaks up at it.
Silly Spangled Appenzellers, Dutch bantams, Lavender Araucanas, a turkey called Alistair, Muscovy ducks and Jimmy the Fell pony. No pig left in the freezer, we ate him all!

 

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