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SallyintNorth

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Why we use Shetlands
« on: April 29, 2023, 01:44:09 pm »
Twenty minutes old, up and sucking like a good 'un :

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SallyintNorth

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Re: Why we use Shetlands
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2023, 01:44:49 pm »
(Of course, I should know a lot better than to say things like that when we aren't done yet...)
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SallyintNorth

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Re: Why we use Shetlands
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2023, 04:47:20 pm »
(Puggles the ewe is 3/4 Shetland with 1/8 each of Icelandic and Dutch Texel.  Nigel Ever Ready Golden Balls our tup is a pedigree polled Shetland.)
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Richmond

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Re: Why we use Shetlands
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2023, 08:30:49 am »
Lovely pic. Our of interest how do they compare to Soay? I mean in terms of size, personality etc. 

SallyintNorth

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Re: Why we use Shetlands
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2023, 10:55:31 am »
Lovely pic. Our of interest how do they compare to Soay? I mean in terms of size, personality etc.

Shetlands are bigger than Soays, I think Soays are our smallest natives, aren't they? 

I haven't had Soays (although I'd have loved to have bought some of the ones that came over from Kilda), so I can't give you a direct comparison.  But I have had a few Castlemilk Moorits and Manxes, so I can compare to those and let you extrapolate! 

I find the Shetlands friendly, fairly laid back, and of course with that amazingly versatile wool in all those different colours and patterns.  Not all Shetlands have very soft wool, and some can have a break in the fibre so you don't always get longer usable staples, but as a general rule, the wool is kemp-free, soft, as bouncy as it comes, and an utter delight to process. 

As you've chosen two self-shedding breeds, perhaps the wool isn't of any interest to you?

It suits us better to have polled ewes, so that's another plus for the Shetland over many of the other natives.

I haven't found Shetlands to be as standoffish, flighty or wild as Manxes and CMMs can be.  (Although I've also had very tame and friendly Manxes and CMMs, some lines are definitely less likely to be so.  And Manxes particularly can treat stone walls - of any height - as simply vertical roadways...)   

Shetland meat is strongly (and deliciously) flavoured, but slightly less at the gamey end of the taste spectrum than Manx or their mutual derivative the Castlemilk Moorit.  However, it's slightly less lean too.  (Not a problem for me but some people really prefer the very very lean CMM.) 

I haven't eaten Soay so can't tell you how their meat compares.

You can get a decent, albeit small carcass off a Shetland after one summer, and that will be lean.  Personally I prefer to give them two summers and get a bigger carcass, and a fleece as well as a sheepskin. 

Hoggs will take the tup and usually do well, but I prefer to give them an extra year or even two to mature, so have them lamb the first time at 2 or 3.

The Shetland's pelvis is naturally very wide, and they are usually very milky and triplets are not common, so from that point of view she's a good crossing ewe.  With the Shetland genes, the lambs tend to be reasonably small at birth, fairly frictionless in the birth canal, so crosses generally inherit the "born quickly and come out running, know where the milk bar is and are persistent in getting it" attributes which make the Shetland tup such a good choice, especially for gimmers (of any breed.)

I have found that with both Manx and Shetland ewes, crossbred lambs outgrow the little primitive parent - and I'd always prefer less birth weight and better growth postpartum, it's so much better for the mother.  But, I have found that the little ewes "wear out" sooner if using a larger tup, and it's probably best to let her have at least one, preferably two crops to a tup her own size, then a couple of crops to a larger tup if that's what you're wanting to do, then back to the smaller tup again before her belly muscles can't cope with another pair of bigger lambs.

On Shetland, the usual first cross is to a Cheviot, and the crossbred ewe therefrom is an excellent commercial ewe, able to take pretty much any tup.  (Cheviot lambs come out tiny and grow slowly for the first few months, really making up for it over their first winter and turning into very big sheep.  So they are uniquely suited as a crossing tup on a smaller ewe.) 
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SallyintNorth

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Re: Why we use Shetlands
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2023, 10:59:30 am »
For anyone more interested in comparisons of the wool...

Wool-wise, CMM can be incredibly fine, but it can be very short and is nothing like as versatile as Shetland.  Personally, I really enjoy spinning CMM worsted off the combs (although most folks probably spin it longdraw, which is the more intuitive choice for a short stapled fibre.)  Manx is usually a little longer than CMM, but can still be quite short, can have a bit of kemp, is not as fine as CMM and not as soft as Shetland. 

I haven't personally spun Soay, but from friends who have, it's usually very short, not very soft and not very fine.  So a bit of a labour of love both to collect (as they shed) and to process. 

And of course all 3 are by definition all in the brown colours, whereas Shetland comes in anything from black, grey, white, all the fawns, tans and browns, and mixes thereof. 
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Richmond

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Re: Why we use Shetlands
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2023, 02:01:53 pm »
Thank you for your very in depth reply. You are right in assuming that we are not interested in wool. However we actively enjoy sitting quietly with both our current breeds and roo-ing them. It's very calming, allows us to bond with the sheep and they seem to like it too. Atm they are approaching us for attention as they are starting to shed.

On the whole they sound very similar to Soay albeit slightly larger (and of course woollier).


SallyintNorth

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Re: Why we use Shetlands
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2023, 04:32:15 pm »
And have any of your local handspinners tried any of your roo'ed fibre?  It's very hard to get hold of WH fibre - for obvious reasons - and I for one would be interested to have a wee bit to try!   :innocent: :eyelashes: :innocent:
Don't listen to the money men - they know the price of everything and the value of nothing

Live in a cohousing community with small farm for our own use.  Dairy cows (rearing their own calves for beef), pigs, sheep for meat and fleece, ducks and hens for eggs, veg and fruit growing

Richmond

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Re: Why we use Shetlands
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2023, 09:18:42 am »
Tbh I haven't asked! The WH wool is very hairy - a combination of fleece and hair combined really. However it doesn't come off all at once but in bits and pieces over a period of a few weeks. I can sit with a sheep and gather a few handfuls at a time, then do the same a few days later.

 

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