[deepinthewoods]

took an interesting turn, announced today is the birth of the worlds first genetically modified children.
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-43767/Worlds-GM-babies-born.html
 
 
 

[Plantoid]

We have been genetically modifying the human race ever since it started , but we've done it outside of the test tube 

[deepinthewoods]

weve never put the dna of 3 people into one human tho.

[RUSTYME]

Sadly , there is no debate , they will do what they want , no matter what anyone says .
I have decided to do what i want also . If i go in a shop that sells gm produce , i will get an attack of vertigo and knock said poison off the shelf . Or fill a trolley with the shite and tip tomato sauce over the lot . And before a pro gm ite sounds off and tells me how terrible that is , save your breath , i don't give a toss .
I can't do anything about gm people , but food i can .

[Plantoid]

How will you overcome the pollen drift off GM crops  over your crops Rusty ?  It's something I've oft thought about but not yet found a satisfactory solution .
 
 re the post about not having three people in one child... Hmmm knowing how the human race tends to handle its morals & sexual activity I wouldn't be too sure on that one at all .

[deepinthewoods]

only one sperm can fertilise an egg plantoid, under natural circumstances.

these children have dna from one woman implanted into an egg of another woman and then fertilised.

impossible in nature no matter what your perversity.



i wonder how they selected the dna to be used?




as for crops, there are no gm products grown outdoors in the uk and most of europe (apart from a few controlled research projects). rustys crops are safe, for now.

if we were in the usa of course that would have to be a concern.

[Lesley Silvester]

But how well controlled are those research projects?

It's nigh on impossible to buy food for animals that is gm free.  I use Allen and Page Dairy goat mix because it is but the dairy nuts I use are not guaranteed gm free and my supplier couldn't find a company who did guarantee dairy nuts.

[deepinthewoods]

thats because feed producers use cheaper imported gm grain from monsanto.


its academic now there is the start of gm human race.

[RUSTYME]

I live in an area where very few people grow crops , mainly cattle and sheep .
The few that do grow stuff  mainly grow barley , all non gm as yet . If and  when gm is grown , i will visit with a mower and cut it , before flowering and thus pollen but too late for another sowing .
If gm were to be grown all over , there would be little i could do in reality .
But myself and at least 100 or so people i know would cause havoc at least .
This is very worrying where veg seeds are concerned , we just don't know what they really are .
 As for gm people , they have probably done it already .   

[Plantoid]

Thanks Rusty I  have the same sort of feeling and thoughts .. found out recently I have been eating GM tomato pure in lots of meals ..there is nothing wromng with me ther is nothing wrong with me thwere is nothing wrong woth me there is nothing wrong with me Is there    .
 
 Something slightly different but linked by careful selection over many many years of host and pollenator in sweetcorn . I found it quite interesting.
http://www.occupymonsanto360.org/2012/05/22/the-story-of-glass-gem-corn-beauty-history-and-hope/

[RUSTYME]

Yes , interesting story P .
Although i love corn on the cob , i have always had problems growing the stuff . Usual problem is weather where i am in west wales , but also get hit by bugs etc .
I love the coloured varieties but maize takes up so much room also , i just give it a miss these days .
Storage is also a problem for me . No freezer and very little space .
It is good to see that more people are taking a stand against monsanto and gm in general .
I try to buy all old variety veg seed where possible . My wheat seed is Square Heads Master , a variety dating back to the 1860's .
I want to get some old variety barley too , but it is very difficult to find via this mobile .
Old variety seed is getting harder to get . Most tends to be F1 . The old variety that is available from specialist catalogues is all but out of my reach  pricewise now .
I think we are time limited now on being able to buy and grow old variety seed . So i shall try to get and grow as many as possible .

[Lesley Silvester]

Very pretty to look at but, tbh, multi-colooured sweetcorn does not appeal to me.

I use heritage seeds where possible.  I get mine from the Heritage Seed Library, part of Garden Organic.

[Sylvia]

If only everyone would refuse to buy F1 seeds. There seems to be more listed in seed catalogues each year.

[deepinthewoods]

theres nothing inherently wrong with f1 seeds, all it means is 2 distinct varieties have been bred to produce a third. an f1 seed will still produce fertile seeds itself but it wont breed true to type, it will revert back to one of its predecessors or similar. i have unwittingly bred f1 seed as im sure many of you have. if you plant a few varieties of runner bean near each other, you will end up with f1 beans, ready for next year. the bean wont be true to either of its parents.

dont confuse f1 with gm they are no where near.

gm means that a seed has had its genes added to in a laboratory, to cause a certain feature of the plant, in monsanto's case it manipulates the seed to not be affected by glyphosate (which is also a monsanto product) which enables farmers to use way much more glyphosate on the fields, literally wiping out all the seeds competition, and monsanto profits by the increased use of glyphosate, as well as the seed itself.

there are also gm seeds that have been produced to exude a 'natural' pesticide, with the intent of reducing the need for sprayed insecticide, this is the recently trialed variety that made the news in the uk. they obtained the gene i believe from an insect, isolated it and added it to the genes of the seed.

genetic modification in no way replicates natural selection or evolution.

only time will tell if those children will survive and if they do, what they will become.

[Factotum]

Er... I think the Daily Mail is a bit late with this 'news'

See original paper from 2001:

http://humupd.oxfordjournals.org/content/7/4/428.full.pdf

But then I guess the Daily Mail never lets the facts get in the way of a story.

Sue